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    • #4887
      Adriana James
      Keymaster

      I don’t quite know what to make of this. What do you smart people think?

      The Hive Mind

    • #5053
      Adam Mayer
      Participant

      Big picture: The Borg is going down.

      Details:

      I had the same thought about “choice” when I watched that, Laura. So perhaps we’re of one hive mind on this ?. Certainly we’re in the same morphogenetic field, which is a field of shared information and energy, analogous in some ways to a hive mind.

      I can think of examples where a hive mind could be implemented ecologically, where people maintain their ability to think and act independently and then they cooperate collectively to achieve certain specified outcomes. Then they take their brain machine interface hat off and go about their life as an individual. The applications for misuse on the other hand are well spelled out in the video.

      Now here’s a question… aren’t we already a hive mind via the collective unconscious? Who here has ever had an original thought? And where do your thoughts even arise from? The cyberneticists might say our thoughts are just the effect of a series of chemical reactions and electrical impulses in the brain… but even if you are more spiritually oriented, there is the individual will and the universal/divine will, and the two are really just two facets of the same thing. It’s impossible to really “create” something new, because every idea already exists in the fifth dimensional set of everything that is was or ever will be. So really we’re just here discovering and experiencing the cosmos that we have already created.

      So we’re living in a universe where we are all part of the same substrate… the zero point energy field, the ether, whatever you want to call it, and yet we have the experience of existing as individuals. We are individuals and yet we are one with everything simultaneously.

      In terms of feedback loops, the whole cosmos is a feedback loop. In terms on information flows, they exist with or without computers. All of the earth’s cycles and the web of life are flows of information between organisms and the planet. Computers only seem to be increasing the velocity of information flows, which means faster feedback and change.

      So when you add the above ingredients together, in the grand scheme of things is a hive mind really anything new? And the answer seems to be no… it’s just that the rate of information flow and feedback within the hive mind is accelerating.

      Isn’t it interesting that Truthstream Media is able to exist and post their videos about the dangers of the hive mind BECAUSE of the Internet hive mind. The hive mind is a double edged sword. Everyone connected the the hive mind is simultaneously more vulnerable to influence by others, but also more empowered to influence a broad audience. So what if some highly conscious people trained to think critically and independently were hooked up to the hive mind? Wouldn’t their positive influence be incorporated into the feedback loop and affect the whole system in a positive way? Could their influence even positively affect the very people that seek to use the hive mind for nefarious purposes, and aid them in making a positive transformation in their own level of consciousness?

      In terms of the dangers of a one world hive mind tyranny, I see that problem as a real danger, but largely self correcting. Just like genetic diversity is essential for the health and longevity of a species, diversity of thought is equally important. A monolithic hive mind feedback loop with suppression of dissension will rapidly turn into an echo chamber with little to no creativity. That means all of the flaws in this universal hive model of the world will be amplified and no one will be left to challenge them. No one will be there to say “hey guys we’re headed for the cliff, I think we better turn this ship around.” Because ships go off cliffs and that makes sense, doesn’t it? So I see that such a hive will inevitably implode and be totally outcompeted by networks of free and interdependent people (meaning independent people collaborating freely) that utilize the vast diversity of their viewpoints and individual creativities to come up with the best solutions to problems. And it may be that these “good guys” even utilize a hive mind of their own. So there could and probably will be multiple hive minds.

      So the question is which of the hives and/or groups of un-networked individuals will be best adapted to the reality of the day? My money is on the free thinkers of the world. After all, the person or system with the most flexibility of behavior will control the system, and crushing “divergent” thinking is the ultimate inflexibility of behavior.

    • #5111
      Elizabeth Walker
      Participant

      Interesting….
      For me it just raises more questions:
      If we are already consciously one, are we not this already?
      Influence is real and exists in all levels of society and surely this is just another form?
      Have we ever truly had independent thought anyway?
      When we are born we are influenced by our environment and yet we call it life, Hive mind is just another version of this isn’t it? (e.g. same beliefs as parents etc)
      Are our individual thoughts in fact individual?
      Is there a sacred space that is our own at all?
      Are we all masters of our own hives already?
      Hmmmmm

      • #5252
        Adam Mayer
        Participant

        I had a similar line of questioning in my very long post. After thinking about it more, I would say it depends how you define a Hive Mind.

        If Hive Mind means the brain Internet, I can see both positive and negative applications of this, depending on who is on the network, what their intentions are, how much freedom of individual thought and action is retained by each person on the network, etc. This could work in a VL7+ society where you can trust everyone to do the right thing. Maybe VL6 could handle it if it was a network of members of the same group, and everyone in the group was someone that loves everyone.

        If Hive Mind means that the conscious mind and individual will are totally replaced by communication from the network/AI, then I would say that this is definitely a bad thing… at the level of consciousness the world is currently at.

        The exception to that would be like a VL8 society, where perhaps there was some impending planetary collision, and to save the Earth, people had to temporarily surrender their personal will to a Hive Mind, for the express and temporary purpose of averting the disaster. Say the disaster required such a quick, totally aligned response with the full capabilities of a group of people unleashed against this shared threat… then I could see a Hive Mind making sense on a temporary basis. Again, this requires a society where everyone on the network can be trusted 100% to do “the right thing.” Then when the crisis was averted, everyone could unplug from the network and go back to being an individual. Without the ability to unplug, the neurology of the individual could become so altered as to make them totally dependent on the network to function. That’s reason enough alone to limit the amount of time that people are connected to such a Hive Mind.

        That scenario is is strict contrast to VL3/5 claiming such a high-minded goal to save the Earth, or for some other perceived “benefits,” in a scheme to lure people into a Hive Mind to control and harvest them. That we need to avoid at all costs… so until we have evolved substantially as a human race, I think it would be wise to stay unplugged for the time being… If people can’t even handle their own thoughts and emotions, how are they going to handle everyone else’s baggage coming straight into their neurons in real time?

    • #4938
      Laura Petrie
      Participant

      I can’t not think of the word ‘choice’ in any and all social engineering projects. This is my gut reaction. I am going to watch this video again for an intellectual understanding at a higher level, then I’ll post again.
      The Hive Mind as it applies to honeybees describes a collection of individual bees that functions as a composite being, an integrated whole to serve the purposes of the colony, basically to support the physiological processes and decision making that maintains life…..for the colony, in which they live and thrive….(this is my scientific understanding of nature)

      Hive Mind in this video….makes me wonder, when would I ever choose to lose my individualism to become part of a composite being? What purpose would that serve?? Whose purpose? I guess spiritually, many make these choices everyday, in the spirit of oneness. In a family, in an organization….but we still have the boundaries of our mind, our own thoughts to share or not. If telepathy was a way of living, would I choose this? Where would my thoughts begin and the thoughts or memories of another end? What about my thoughts or dreams of the future? Would I know the difference between my agenda for the future and someone else’s agenda for me? These are all questions posed to myself about choice…. but that’s not really what this video is about, is it?

      I choose when I do group goal setting using Creating Your Future (R) processes with my colleagues to enter into some form of ‘hive mind’ and create group ‘magic’ or alignment of many unconscious minds for the same intention…with volition and with a protective barrier (real or imagined) that my mind and inner thoughts are sacred. I choose to work as an individual towards this group intention and align myself unconsciously with all the people and opportunities connected to the group and this intention only, in this specific context…

      The slow progress towards Hive Mind as will benefit the ‘sinister’ uses; I can see, takes advantage of peoples’ minor momentary choices (getting a cell phone, becoming involved in social media, using the predictive buying feature on amazon, etc.) to lay the foundation that everyone is buying into and everyone has agreed that this is the best way to live….or we have all made the choices that have lead to this so why are we complaining about losing individualism?

      Obviously we all love to be globally connected and read each other’s thoughts. And look at how good the US Army is now that all these men and women share one brain of mass destruction?! (please note heavy sarcasm)

      I’ll be back to this as more things percolate.

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