PTSD

[Toni Everard]

Hi all,

Has anyone had extensive experience with PTSD? I have a student enrolled in Master Prac who has a history with PTSD from his workplace. Since enrolling in the training he has had further trauma that resulted in several experiences of dissociation and believes he cannot use TLT because it requires him to be dissociated and that will exacerbate the problem.

Any advice or useful reading recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

[Arslan Larik]

I do not have any direct expertise in PTSD Management, yet number of clients reported that they were diagnosed with PTSD and now have a very empowering way forward. Usually the success method included:

1. The willingness of the client (consent)
2. Cause and Effect (Intervention and Understanding)
3. TLT#2 on Fear (Intervention)
4. Strategy Work or you can alternate it with Logical Levels of Sequential Coaching
5. Fast Phobia (Intervention)
6. Swish Pattern (Intervention)
7. Stack positive resource anchors

*PTSD is reliving the past experience in real time, that is what is happening. It would be more useful to ask questions around what does it mean to dissociate for the client. Not sure on that one.

[Toni Everard]

Hi Arslan,

Thanks for your response. Dissociation in relation to PTSD can occur in circumstances of extreme or extended trauma where the person becomes detached from their surroundings, their actions and their body. Sometimes having significant gaps in their memory. They can feel out of touch with their own identity.

All of the above very helpful suggestions, I think perhaps it should be TLT#1 though as #2 should never be used for trauma or phobia. My client is already a Practitioner and has tried using some NLP techniques at other courses recently which they’ve said was extremely difficult and even distressing because of the dissociation.

I’m hoping someone here might know more about working with the dissociation. Appreciate your input.

[Sandra Madafferi]

Hi Toni
I have worked with PTSD quite a bit.
I am happy to jump on a call to get more info.

I would look at
Check for Parts (Multiple)

Working on the LD that TLT wont work (TLT#1)

[Toni Everard]

Thanks everyone for your input, all very valuable information.

Have since spoken to client and he is not open to any further information. Studied NLP Prac with another trainer and has since done another what he called ‘NLP based course’ that his psychiatrist told him has made him worse.

Now says his psychiatrist has told him he should not take on Master Prac at this time and is in a fairly unresourceful state under the care of psychiatrist and mental health nurse.

Hopefully he’ll get all the help he needs.

[Gina Palmer]

Hi Toni

This is a very good topic for us all to discuss…. PTSD prevalence in our global world has increased…

A number of points here that I am curious about and would influence what to do:

1. In Master Prac, Adriana took us through TLT(R) and we covered the Meta-Medicine work…when does a pattern start? In my version of MPrac manual, I have notes about what to do with PTSD. DPH, then TLT(R) > root cause will be ‘earlier stuff’, get rid of the trauma first – may need to use the phobia model, get rid of depression/sadness, future pace.
2. Back to when did the pattern start? In the meta-medicine section, Adriana taught that in addition to the breakthrough, it may also help to keep in mind the UDIN – the 5 different areas affected: the mind/the body/the spirit/social interaction/the environment…
3. During Prac, did this student go back to the the root cause? Maybe since then more has come up from the UM that was a repressed memory? Also, when you say since enrolling in the training the student has had more trauma… so is there a pattern of dissociation and is this and perhaps not going back to the root cause a way of self-protecting? There is a boundary around the belief they have PTSD. For what purpose is this? How did PI work for this student in Prac? Did he do PI in Prac during NLP and did he do PI again after TLT(R) – as a check?
4. This brings me to use of Cartesian Logic – what would happen if they did not have PTSD etc.
5. I come back to the dissociation – when did they decide this? Also, in using Neg Em #1, will associate the student “looking through your own eyes” – how did this work for the student during Prac?
6. If the student says I can’t – they are doing the process of cannot, what if they did the process of ‘can’.

We’ve had several students with PTSD and we have also seen PTSD during trainings where we have been CA. The PTSD cases during trainings – woman in her 50s with a number of trauma events starting from 7yo when she witnessed her mother’s death at the hands of her father followed by serious Dom Violence from 1st husband (she analysed the DV as being linked to her trauma from 7yo), dissociated from an early age. We have had other women do our trainings with DV (hospital cases etc). We worked through these various cases and learned a lot – finding the root cause was key each time. In all the cases we have worked with the root cause was in a past life or passed down. We have heard some students say “we come from a long history of abuse and it’s in the family” well, when did they decide that!

Happy to share more if it helps.

I’d love to hear from other trainers what they do because I know one trainer works with inter-generational trauma cases and there may be a webinar coming up about this topic.

Gina 🙂

[Gina Palmer]

Hi Toni

How did you go? Gina

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